“Marketing Lessons from the Grateful Dead,” a new marketing-meets-music book by co-authors David Meerman Scott and Brian Halligan, has hit the shelves. The book details how the Grateful Dead fell into a business model that turned out to be nearly as noteworthy as its music. Throughout the years, The Dead broke almost every rule in the music industry book and profited as a result. The marketing lessons—and the effect the band had on the music industry and their fans—apply to businesses of all kinds.
We were able to sit down with David Meerman Scott to discuss his outlook on businesses and social media. Here are his thoughts and some great tips on how to navigate the social media world.
CerconeBrown & Co. (CBC): Why should businesses even engage in social media?
David Meerman Scott (DMS): The whole concept of social media is kind of misunderstood, and I think social media itself is a bit of a buzz word. I like to suggest that every organization on the planet be publishing content on the Web. All organizations should think of themselves as publishers of information, and most organizations don’t think that way. They think, ‘I’m an automaker, I make ski boats, I’m in the wine business.’ To reach people online, the right way is to think like a publisher of content and create really interesting information.
Now, social media is just one aspect of that, and my, sort of loose, definition of social media is that it’s content that people can add to in some form or fashion. So, a blog post with comments becomes social media; a video on YouTube with comments becomes social media. Facebook and Twitter are, of course, social networking services, which is a sub-set of social media as well. But, I think that when people think about social media, they tend to say that social media is only things like Twitter and Facebook. I think that’s a very wrong, and almost even dangerous, way of thinking about how organizations can use Web content to help drive people to their businesses.

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CBC: What is the biggest challenge a business encounters when adapting to social media?
DMS: There’s no question in my mind that the biggest challenge is that businesses find it very, very difficult not to talk about themselves. Most of marketing, advertising and public relations is egotistical, and it’s companies talking about their products and services. If you look at any advertising, it tends to be focused on the products, but, in the social media world, nobody cares about products. They care about themselves, and they care about interactions. They care about meeting people; they care about solving problems. And none of those things are specifically related to products and services. So, the biggest challenge companies face with social media is how can they avoid and resist talking about their products and services. There are a lot of blogs, Twitter feeds and Facebook pages out there that are dying because no one cares about them, and the reason nobody cares about them is because they’re focused on the company’s products and services.
CBC: What is one piece of advice that you would give a business that is trying to expand its social media presence?
DMS: Most think the right thing to do is to think about who are the people you are trying to reach, who are, I call them “buyer personas.” Instead, think about who are the people that your organization wants to engage and what problems do those people have that you might be able to help them to learn about, or help them to solve. So that means that if you’re going to create a video, it shouldn’t be about your products — it should be addressing an issue that the people you want to reach have and somehow engaging them too, in the form of educating them or providing advice or whatever it might be. The biggest thing organizations can do to be successful is understand very, very deeply the people that you’re trying to reach, so that you can create the sort of content that will be valuable for them.
CBC: Do you think that social media a good alternative to marketing based on budget concerns?
DMS: I mean, yeah, it’s free to do a blog post, it’s free to do an e-book, it’s free to do a YouTube video — so certainly. These things don’t cost money in terms of media; however they do take time. Blog posts don’t write themselves, and videos don’t film themselves, so people have to figure out how they’re going to budget for the time required to create some of this stuff. What I’m recommending to a lot of organizations is if they do have a budget in place, or if there are resources that can be reallocated, that one of the best people to hire are journalists. I call it “brand journalism” when an organization creates content in the same “story-telling” mentality as a journalist creates content. So if there is budget, it means how can we allocate it away from just simply buying ads to creating some interesting information? And if there’s not a budget, how can we allocate time to create this stuff because the actual media is free?
CBC: What constitutes a social media expert? Do they even exist?

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DMS: I don’t know what that means. I’ve been doing social media for 25 years; I’ve been writing about social media now for about 10 years. I have, arguably, the most popular book in the world about social media marketing that’s published in 26 languages. I don’t consider myself a social media expert.
You’re right — there are thousands of people that consider themselves social media experts. I think what organizations need are people who are experts in telling stories, people who have a journalistic background, who are able to create things that are interesting for the people they are trying to reach. If I don’t know how to use twitter, or I don’t know how to create a YouTube video, that’s really easy to learn. So maybe you can ask a “social media expert” how to figure out how to get a twitter profile up, but I don’t think that’s valuable in terms of creating content, because those people — although there are a lot of exceptions — generally are not experts in telling stories; they’re experts in the tools themselves.
CBC: What is social media’s “big thing” so far in 2010?
DMS: I think the biggest thing in 2010 is that it’s become mainstream. I’ve been talking about this stuff for a long time, and I was a lone voice in the woods a long time ago, and now it seems like the whole world is talking about it, so it’s very, very interesting to me that I used to be a heretic and people wouldn’t listen to me — they would scoff at what I said. I think it’s fascinating now that there is so much interest in all of this stuff, so I’m almost amazed that the sorts of things I’ve been thinking and talking about now have become so popular.
The other thing are mobile applications with GPS components with them, like Foursquare and Layer — iPhone apps and other mobile device applications that the device knows where you physically are based on the GPS grid. That becomes fascinating because all of a sudden, using this from a marketing perspective, people know where you are, and it’s interesting on a lot of levels and I think we’re only scratching the service in the direction that might go.
CBC: Anything else you’d like to add?
DMS: Yeah, just one thing. This can be fun. I don’t know that people who have done marketing for 25 years like I have have always thought their job was really fun, but I think that these ways of communicating are really, really fun and I think it’s really heartening that our jobs now can be a lot more fun and interesting and exciting than they were in the past. I just want to make sure that people don’t think of this as work; it’s not work, it’s fun, and in my case, I can’t believe I’ve made a living having fun. It’s really exciting.
“Marketing Lessons from the Grateful Dead” is currently available at Amazon and Barnes & Noble, among others.
Learn more about the new book at David Meerman Scott’s blog, Web Ink Now, and join the authors on their “Follow the Band” Book Tour (hashtag #GDbook), which will be updated at the “Marketing Lessons from the Grateful Dead” Facebook page.
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